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Moving ahead with X10.
« on: December 17, 2013, 09:50:50 AM »
Like many I had started to look at what to replace my aging system with as the old X10 went belly up.
However with the new owners taking up x10 a new life is promised to my aging system.
The new owners (Authinx the resellers of the Pro line) are looking at improving the quality of the x10 line.
As well there are a few new units slated for release in the new year.
I think these will be more for the Pro line but still it is a move forward.
X10 left a big mess when they went belly up so hopefully it can be sorted out for all us old timers.
Being an administrator on the old x10 forums has given me a bit of a foot inside the door of the new company.
We are slowly redesigning the forums and hopefully it won't be a place to complain anymore.
I've always had good luck with X10 so I'm glad I don't have to convert to something else! ;)
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 08:38:04 AM »
The news that a x10 Wi-Fi module is in the works has me so excited.
Many know I've bee busy getting the mess cleaned up at the old X10 forums.
I've almost been given free rein to do what I want with the forum.
this has kept a good communication going with the new owners and I've been forwarding questions users have asked me about this new unit.
Although this unit is in the initial build stage with my questions the owner has realized they need some input from possible end users.
Here's your chance to have your say to what you'd like this thing to do!
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.0
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2013, 05:56:24 AM »
I've been told A new XPS3 test unit has been shipped to me!
This is build as a "Silent” XPS3 but I'm told it still makes a noise when switching just less.
As soon as I get this new switch I'll post my findings ;)
I guess I have to figure out now where to put it! ??? ::)
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2013, 05:59:39 AM »
 8) Very Cool!  Things are shaping up for X10!
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2013, 06:52:51 AM »
Will be interesting to see how the new XPS3 sounds when switching.
I know the old ones with the ratchet switch in it could wake me up.
If it has a relay in it like other protocol device. It will have a small click when activated.

I hope eventually the Appliance Modules will also have a more silent type relay in them.

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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2013, 08:24:32 AM »
This is very interesting to me.  My XPS3 modules I use for attic fans are hard mounted to a stud.  When they actuate, my wife complains that it's really loud.  I say it's noticable, but not that bad.  Either way, I'd be interested in replacing mine with quieter ones should they be more affordable (compared to the ToggleLinc and SwitchLinc modules at $50/ea).  I actually have a couple of those I bought last year during their sale, but decided to keep the XPS3 since the ToggleLinc's are ivory and match the house switches whereas the XPS3 are decora and white (WAF=ugly).

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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2013, 09:45:55 AM »
I hope eventually the Appliance Modules will also have a more silent type relay in them.
I'm told this is planed.
This I don't think will happen till after the Wi-Fi module is released.
I'm also told they will have new model numbers so identification will be easier. ;)
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2013, 12:24:45 PM »
The quiet Appliance Module would be nice.
I know some had used the Insteon ApplianceLinc and programmed a X10 address in them.
They are now discontinued and the updated one dropped X10 support.

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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 01:57:27 PM »
My "silent" XPS3 test switch arrived today.
WOW this new relay is  incredibly less noisy.
I compared this to a AM486 plugged into a outlet on the same wall.
There is no comparison that describes the difference,  I have standard décor wall switches that make more noise then the new XPS3!
 The only bad thing thus far I can say about this is the cover plate.
The fit is very lose, however it can be stiffened up by placing a bit of sponge under the lower bottom half of the cover plate.
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 03:16:11 PM »
A silent XPS3 should be a hit with the X10 users.
One thing many complained about was the loud clunk when turned On and Off.

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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 04:01:51 PM »
I wouldn't hesitate putting this anywhere.
Once these start appearing I definitely will consider getting more. ;)
I have no word on what the new model number will be yet.
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2014, 11:12:49 AM »
Probably the wrong place to ask, but do you know if the new X10 will have similar pricing structure to the old X10 list prices ($$)?  Or, will it be cheap like the old ebay etc distribution ($)?  Or, will it be closer to what we've seen with the lack of supply ($$$)?

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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 01:46:55 PM »
The price will be higher then what the old X10 was selling for.
Keep in mind the company is more devoted to the Pro line so quality standards are higher.
Also Chine has undergone a manufacturing structure change. The old manufacturer is gone and newer machinery is in use.
Some  dies and machinery was lost which needs replacing which will also drive up cost.
That being said the owner does realize the need to keep the pricing low thus keeping production there.
Exact pricing I haven't heard about.
The fact that the new modules will be less noisy is not the only improvement on these.
They have a newer technology built in for better X10 receive  which should help overcome noisy lines.
Since my house is relatively noise free it will be hard for me to test this fact.
though I tend to put this threw some heavy usage this weekend.
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2014, 02:52:18 PM »
$0.02
I always thought a X10, "no hum" ceiling fan module that used reactive motor speed control (capacitors) like the three speed switch on the fan itself would be a good seller. Ed Cheung sold a kit at one time which used an X10 dimming wall switch as the fan speed driver. http://www.edcheung.com/automa/nohum.htm. Lightolier marketed a humless reactive fan control under their "Compose" product line. Would be great if X10 Pro would do fan/light (Incan. LED, CFL capable) module that would fit under the fan shroud. I know Smarthome has an Insteon fan controller but I am unsure if X10 protocol can change fan speed or light brightness. Appears to be ON-OFF only for X10 commands.

Also would be nice if X10 Pro would put their quiet relay in the Appliance Modules.
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Re: Moving ahead with X10.
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 11:21:12 AM »
I'm ok with an increase in price if quality improves as well.  Obviously the price we were paying for certain modules on ebay a few years ago was unsustainable for X10, but if they price their new stuff close to or above what Insteon sells for with a lesser feature set, that might spell doom too.

The one product I hope they will look into is a togglelinc replacement.  I only bought a total of 3 of the togglelincs since they were too big for most installations and the price was much higher than cheapo ws467 that I've got tons of.  Unfortunately, there are no more ivory in stock, so I'm out of luck.  I assume there would be demand with a low enough price point, but then that's what marketing people are supposed to answer.