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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by Jeff on March 24, 2017, 07:22:00 AM »
I watched the slides and have several observations:

There is A01_ON about 8 hours after logging started.
There are two sequences of A04_OFF a couple of hours later.
Then there is A05_OFF about 20 hours after logging started.
Four minutes later there is A02_OFF.
And half an hour later there is A01_OFF.

All of those look like valid X10 commands with similar X10 signal levels.  They would not be caused by noise.

The ANR blinking once means the background noise level is under 10mVpp, which is fine.  But that doesn't indicate whether there are any random transients.

The fact that you are using A1 and A2 may be asking for trouble because I understand those are the codes that X10 motion detectors revert to when their batteries are dying.  I would recommend against using the A house code at all.

You might find that the problem goes away if you move those A switches to a different house code.

Jeff

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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by IBMJunkman on March 23, 2017, 06:19:54 PM »
Door opener is at least 10 years old.
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by bkenobi on March 23, 2017, 09:53:40 AM »
This is a long shot, but is the garage door opener one of the new connected ones?  My 2 old openers don't do anything to my signal when plugged in vs unplugged.  However, the newer ones (Ryobi for instance) are very complex looking.  They may have some stuff going on in the power supply since they have some sort of embedded logic in them.

https://www.ryobitools.com/gdo/
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by IBMJunkman on March 23, 2017, 08:05:30 AM »
Good thing I did not buy a PZZ01. Did not think about it blocking my legit signal.  :)

Jeff,

ANR, when I watch it, blinks once every 3 seconds. I believe that is normal.  Lights went off at 6:13 this morning.

I have a slide show of all the readings in the XTBM since powered on in the garage yesterday.  A01 is the legitimate code. When the lights went off this morning the last thing shown was entry 02 at 19:56:18. But I don't know if that was the event that caused the lights to go off. It should not have been.

http://www.myimagecollection.com/xtbm/  If you hover over the image you will see a pause button.

I have unplugged everything in the garage I can (trickle charger, wall wart for phone and HiFi). Only things plugged in is the door opener and the wall wart for the video camera. I will check the log tomorrow.

When I had the XTBM in the house I did not see this much extraneous activity.

The frustrating thing is the garage and the old WS477 using 60 watt bulbs was rock solid. No unintended on/off. 


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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by Jeff on March 23, 2017, 06:32:36 AM »
Got up this morning and light was off. Turned it on and some time later I saw it go off again.  No activity showed on the XTBM Pro that is in the house.

That sounds like something other than random noise simulating actual X10 commands if the light was switched off twice within a short period of time.  I've read reports that some X10 switches are sensitive to line transients.  The XTBM-Pro would catch that, but a single transient would only be displayed for several seconds.

Jeff
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by bkenobi on March 22, 2017, 02:04:49 PM »
A whole house filter (PZZ01) will isolate the garage from everything outside the garage.  As a result, you will not be able to send commands to the garage sub panel from the main panel.  If that's ok, your solution would isolate anything causing issues sourced from the main panel into the sub.  But, it will not remove issues that are caused within the sub panel itself.  If that's the filter your are talking about, I'd look elsewhere.
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by IBMJunkman on March 22, 2017, 08:06:16 AM »
Well, I spoke too soon. Got up this morning and light was off. Turned it on and some time later I saw it go off again.  No activity showed on the XTBM Pro that is in the house. I plan to move it to the same socket in the garage the ANR is in.

The garage has its own sub panel so I will look at a panel based filter. I think the panel is 2 phase.
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by Jeff on March 21, 2017, 08:54:51 AM »
Plugged an ANR into the closest socket.  Now working fine. The only powered thing in the garage when I am not in it is a high quality trickle charge.

Even though it is a high quality trickle charger, it still might be injecting noise onto the powerline.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear the XTB-ANR is doing the job.  Have you noted what the LED is indicating for a noise level?

Jeff
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by Brian H on March 21, 2017, 03:36:33 AM »
Thank you for the update.
Good to see the problems have been solved.
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X10 Control Reliability / Re: Random failures
« Last post by IBMJunkman on March 20, 2017, 01:52:36 PM »
Well, a 1 month follow up. All house exterior lamps are now 100 watt CREE LEDs. Controlled by WS469s. Working flawlessly.  External garage lights controlled by a WS477 in the garage and always worked fine. Installed a WS469 and I would see the lights turn off 2 or 3 times a night. Installed a new WS469. Same problem.  Plugged an ANR into the closest socket.  Now working fine. The only powered thing in the garage when I am not in it is a high quality trickle charge.

I am now happy.
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