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RF Control => Wi-Fi => Topic started by: Max44 on March 26, 2014, 12:43:57 PM

Title: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Max44 on March 26, 2014, 12:43:57 PM

I've always thought with WiFi thermostats, garage door openers, printers, TVs, and now even light bulbs that a X-10 controller with a direct WiFi connection (and a tablet app) should be available.  Is there any such thing on the market?  Everything I've seen to date requires using a wired PC connection (RS232, USB, etc.) to the power line via some type of modem or a RF (non-WiFi) link to a RF transceiver plugged into the power line.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Knightrider on March 26, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
Word on the street is that one is in the pipeline.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: dave w on March 26, 2014, 03:50:31 PM
Would be nice if this WiFi transceiver would lead to WiFi based Lamp, Appliance, and Switch modules. WiFi would be more reliable than PLC I think. My XTBIIR repeater has made our setup 95% solid, but once in a while I plug in something that upsets the delicate balance and have to search out the noise maker, since as an old geezer, I don't remember the new gizmo I plugged in yesterday. Unfortunately OGS (Old Geezer Syndrome) is not covered under Obamacare
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 26, 2014, 04:15:28 PM
One is indeed in the works. ;)
I've got my name one a test sample for when it is available so I'll try to keep everyone informed.
Details right now are a bit sketchy as a prototype isn't available yet.
Word is it will directly address x10 modules via PLC no PC required with RF to be added later.
I'm told first runs will be limited in their ability but plans are to make them upgradable.
The manufacture has been sent suggestions put forth but x10 forum members ( http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.0 ).
This may push back the release depending on how many suggestions they plan to add initially ;)
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Max44 on March 27, 2014, 07:13:26 AM
Tuicemen,

Thanks.  I read through the x10 forum link.  Interesting news.  I'll look forward to your review of the prototype ... whenever you get your hands on one.

Max
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Max44 on March 27, 2014, 07:19:06 AM

Dave,

You might be interested in Belkin's WeMo products.  http://www.belkin.com/us/Products/c/home-automation/ (http://www.belkin.com/us/Products/c/home-automation/)  I thought they were rather expensive compared to X-10.

Max
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: dave w on March 27, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
Thanks Max.
I agree, the Belkin stuff is over my budget.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 28, 2014, 05:18:02 AM

Dave,

You might be interested in Belkin's WeMo products.  http://www.belkin.com/us/Products/c/home-automation/ (http://www.belkin.com/us/Products/c/home-automation/)  I thought they were rather expensive compared to X-10.

Max

I just noticed my local Home Depot store carries these.
I picked up an appliance module to play with.
I'm not to impressed with the android software interface.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Max44 on April 11, 2014, 09:43:21 AM

I just noticed a controller that's got WiFi and supposedly supports Z-wave, Insteon, and X10.  http://getvera.com/controllers/vera3/ (http://getvera.com/controllers/vera3/).  It doesn't seem to have gotten very good reviews ..... mostly from lack of support and poor documentation.  Seems like an interesting device if it works.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 11, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
Vera was originally for Zwave only I believe.
There was a user on the x10 forums that had raved about it and moved their setup from X10 to it.
However I had noticed they returned to using X10 with no explanation given ??? ::)
They also deleted all their posts touting Vera  and editing their original post to just a head banging smiley :-\
 
I don't expect the X10 WiFi unit to be near as expensive but it also will most likely be only for x10 module communication.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 14, 2014, 10:39:14 AM
I was able to get so more inside info on the new X10 Wi-Fi module (WIFI2X10).
I posted the info on the x10 forum (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.msg161121#msg161121)  ;)
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 09, 2015, 04:15:35 PM
I now have a Wi-Fi to x10 prototype module as posted on the X10 forum.
The unit performs very well even in noisy situations.
I approached Jeff about a XTBM signal analyzer for more in depth testing.
Authinx has asked that I hold off posting a review until a release version is actually ready which I have agreed to.
I can say the issue with release is not the hardware though I have made some suggestions for hardware improvement which we may or may not see in the first version.
I was told my test version would not have RF capabilities however it does receive RF and transceive it.
I hope the release version also has this, though one of the other testers has reported no RF capabilities in their unit ??? ::)
I will post a review of the unit on this forum as well as mine and the x10 forum once a release build is ready.
So far it (the hardware) has a Big thumbs up and only needs minor tweaking.
The software on the other hand is far from ready and the sad part is it doesn't look like the software designer has any idea of home automation.
I've submitted over 20 issues which I feel the end user would find fault with.
I've also submitted  many Ideas for Add improvements.
Since I only just discovered this had RF transceive capabilities I expect my suggestion list for enhancements to grow considerably.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on December 18, 2015, 07:13:07 AM
I had hoped to see these available for Christmas 2015 however it now looks like we'll be lucky to get one before new years.
The good news is the owner plans to fly a shipment in as soon as possible so the diehards can get them sooner.
He also plans to offer a promotional code to X10 Forum users.
So if your looking for one get, over there and put your name on one
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29322.0
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 20, 2016, 12:17:48 PM
Like most I've been hoping to see this long before now.
A chip discontinuation and developer issues have delayed this.
However a new chip and developer have this looking better then before.
There are still some issues with the software which they hope to have ironed out shortly.
There is rumors of a $15 off discount being offered to X10 forum members that have their name on one.
I still don't expect to see this offered before mid May 2016.  :'(

Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: jackbeck on November 27, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
It's now almost Dec. 2016. Is there a legitimate estimate from X10 as to when the wifi module will be available? Are they still working on it? Does it have any priority?
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Brian H on November 28, 2016, 03:15:36 AM
I have not seen a legitimate estimated date in the threads over on the X10 forums.
I understand they are still perusing the project and see updates from time to time.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: bkenobi on November 29, 2016, 07:13:03 AM
If they haven't started production, then they'll probably have to source components again as logic/comm chips seem to be changing very rapidly.  In the time that this device has been in the works, the ESP team (ESP8266 etc) has released and deprecated several very useful chips.  I don't know what the X10 guys are using, but it's possible they'd have issues with part availability if the design is tied to a specific chip rather than something more flexible.   ???
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Jeff on November 30, 2016, 06:38:54 AM
It's now almost Dec. 2016. Is there a legitimate estimate from X10 as to when the wifi module will be available? Are they still working on it? Does it have any priority?

I haven't seen any progress report recently.  With Apple now entering the home automation market, I'm afraid that Authinx may be missing the window to get this to the market.

Back in the 80's several of us developed the Powerstar computer game cartridge for the Atari computer.  Development took too long, and disks were just coming into general use when it was released.  Disks were cheaper, and we lost our shirts on the project.

Jeff
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: bkenobi on November 30, 2016, 08:00:50 AM
If you still have any, you could maybe buy a few shirts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Powerstar-Atari-400-800-home-computer-cartridge-adventure-game-Pandora-Software-/361445328519
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Jeff on November 30, 2016, 09:23:21 AM
If you still have any, you could maybe buy a few shirts.

Yeah, they show up occasionally on eBay as collector items.  We only made about 600 cartridges that cost us about $10 each.  I have maybe 50 of them left in a box somewhere.  Of course, making them available would kill the price.

I was pretty proud of what we did for data compaction to fit over 200 screens like you see in that listing into a 16KB cartridge.  Each image was built up from graphic objects, and the budget for all the graphics was only 4KB.  (Yes, 4096 bytes.)  It was a different world back then.

The source code was so large that we had a to use a program to strip off the comments before we could do the assembly.  It took us about a year of nights and weekends to complete the project.

Jeff
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: bkenobi on December 01, 2016, 08:01:59 AM
Yeah, they show up occasionally on eBay as collector items.  We only made about 600 cartridges that cost us about $10 each.  I have maybe 50 of them left in a box somewhere.  Of course, making them available would kill the price.

LOL, you could single handedly flood the market and kill an industry.  Kinda like if people knew how many diamonds were available in the world they wouldn't pay anything for them.   ;)
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Tuicemen on December 01, 2016, 01:53:23 PM
I contacted the Authinx owner directly on this just recently.
He is so frustrated with the manufacturer and app developer.
He said," he won't comment on a timeline as every time he does that they fly right past it.
It definitely won't be this year and doesn't expect it before the Chinese new year."
So no good news on this front I'm afraid. :(
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: jackbeck on December 02, 2016, 11:21:02 AM
Thanks for checking into this. At least it sounds like they are still working on this. When is the Chinese new year?
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Brian H on December 04, 2016, 06:31:02 AM
Chinese New Year. Sometime in mid January. At least a week time period. Maybe even longer.
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: jackbeck on March 28, 2017, 07:40:14 AM
Looks like they missed the Chinese New Year. Anything new?
Title: Re: WiFi Controller?
Post by: Brian H on March 28, 2017, 10:20:18 AM
No added information in the X10 Forums very long thread either.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.0